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Something is definitely wrong; it will be interesting to see what the problems are, is this shop a import or vw specialist? I hope they can figure it out; if not, you may need to start troubleshooting things yourself or find a shop that knows VW’s.. Did you replace the maf with the Bosch unit?


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Something is definitely wrong; it will be interesting to see what the problems are, is this shop a import or vw specialist? I hope they can figure it out; if not, you may need to start troubleshooting things yourself or find a shop that knows VW’s.. Did you replace the maf with the Bosch unit?


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I was mistaken, it’s a general repair shop, not VW specific. I have not gotten the Bosch maf yet, will order it tomorrow. I’m going to call the shop tomorrow and let them know it’s worse than when I brought it in. Frustrated with the weather too because we had no snow all winter now suddenly it’s blizzard season and I just want to get this car fixed. I live on a mountain so the Beetle has to be dropped off and picked up in no snow conditions. Along with coordinating rides to do so.
 

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If you have the old vw/Bosch maf; you might reinstall it and see, if it helps and see, if it runs better?


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Well, it’s been a chaotic week with work but I was able to pick her up again tonight. The garage replaced a cracked hose going into the throttle body and throttle body gasket. I thought he said they did the crank sensor too but my brain is shot tonight. I drove it 45 minutes down the highway and she feels like a new car. Pull into my friends driveway and check engine light came on. Scanned it and only one code for P0068. So it’s got to be that maf. I’ve carved out an hour tomorrow to catch up on things and ordering the Bosch maf will be done. I want to do a new Bosch tb but I think FCP is charging $600 plus for it. I’m two grand in for just this month let alone the $2k from last year. Yikes.
 

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Quoting Ross Tech:

"Assuming, this test is done at or near sea-level, the peak output of the sensor in
g/s should be roughly 80% of the rated horsepower of the engine."

So, the normal 2.5L is rated @ 150 HP and 80% would need to be calculated to get a idea of what the peak output of the MAF sensor, should be.

150 X .80 = 120

horsepower X 80% = 120 grams per second maf max reading: for a 150 HP 2.5L engine.

So, you would be looking for roughly 120 g/s. with some slight variation, taking into consideration your current elevation, of where you live and the car is tested at.

Here was a troubleshooting thread, that turned into something of a marathon, we discussed maf testing but finally, found misfires, were a bad coil. (2.0L but principles are the same).



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Quoting Ross Tech:

"Assuming, this test is done at or near sea-level, the peak output of the sensor in
g/s should be roughly 80% of the rated horsepower of the engine."

So, the normal 2.5L is rated @ 150 HP and 80% would need to be calculated to get a idea of what the peak output of the MAF sensor, should be.

150 X .80 = 120

horsepower X 80% = 120 grams per second maf max reading: for a 150 HP 2.5L engine.

So, you would be looking for roughly 120 g/s. with some slight variation, taking into consideration your current elevation, of where you live and the car is tested at.

Here was a troubleshooting thread, that turned into something of a marathon, we discussed maf testing but finally, found misfires, were a bad coil. (2.0L but principles are the same).



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Wow thank you for that, I’m going to looking for a scan tool that can read live data. First thing I’ll do when I get it is check the wires to MAF. I’m also going to properly read through that thread in a bit.
I just drove the car 120 miles with the check engine light on (had no choice), about 110 miles of that on the highway and the car runs like brand new, great mpg, amazing acceleration in the left lane. Got home and came up the mountain and the old girl had zero problems despite the cel. Of course there is something still going on and I tend to be obsessive but she runs great.
I’m not giving up on the old girl, I’ve spent a ton of money on her but more so I truly enjoy driving it!
 

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If you have a vcds you can run the live data and check the MAF. I just diagnosed a low power problem with my daughters diesel Jetta. The MAF specified/requested vs the MAF actual on a live graph showed the lines far apart. They are supposed to mirror each other. I stole the MAF from my wife’s beetle put it in the Jetta and her car was suddenly running perfect, so a new Bosch MAF is on order.

No MAF code was thrown only an under boost code. What I have done as a temporary fix was while I had her MAF off the car I hit it with some crc MAF cleaner, on the hot filament diesel MAF that usually doesn’t work but in this case it is almost like a new MAF so she’ll be able to drive her car till the new MAF gets here.
 
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