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Clunker Confusion: MPG Figures- Yahoo! Autos Article Page


I think thats a load of crap , they want us to buy cars to keep the economy going, trade in the gas guzzlers for fuel sippers, but they decide to change the ratings on your old car so you dont get the break .. Just another way for the government to screw ya . I had actually thought of trading in my truck for something that got better MPG but if they are gonna pull that crap I will stick with the gas hog .
 

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Great point! This "cash for clunkers" bull is more about getting people to buy a new car rather than providing some benefit for consumers saving gas or money.

And people wonder why I doubt government's ability to handle big stuff when they can't even get this minor thing correct. Geez! :rolleyes:
 

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I think the idea behind the program is great. The way they've implemented it, not so much. If they allowed you to buy a used car with the money, then I think things would be a lot better. There are a lot of people out there that have an old car they would love to get rid of but can't afford to replace it. Sure the money you get for the clunker trade in is good, but if you can't afford the 4500 to get a used car, you certainly won't be able to pony up the money to pay the difference on a new one.

My parents for example. They have 2 Chevy Astro vans. They live out in the middle of nowhere so to get anywhere they have to drive a decent distance. Their vans get terrible gas mileage but they don't have the money to buy another car (and insure it too) to have either a 3rd vehicle or replace one of the vans. They could easily trade in the older van ('89) and get some money for it with the C4C program but they couldn't get the money to pay for the rest of a new car. Meanwhile, they could get another grand or so and buy a used car, like a TDI. But they can't.

I heard this program was based off of a program that Germany (I think) is either doing or did. They had less stringent requirements for vehicle trade in and also let you use it on used cars.
 

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The object of the program is to replace old clunkers with new cars. If they let people replace old clunkers with slightly newer clunkers, it would defeat some of the purpose. Also, this is part of the "Save the US Automotive industry" incentive, and buying used cars doesn't really help any in that respect.

Yes, one can argue that the program encourages the "cycle of debt" because people have to take out a car loan to get a new car when doing the C4C program, but, nobody says you have to do it... The program is for a specific purpose, and it won't be a solution for everyone who may be considering trading in their car(s).
 

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Before I could link the article about this fund being depleted...
have no fear...more money for the the plan is here! :D

I can't speak for others, but we'll never take on a car payment again, and we won't buy a brand new any time soon, so the C4C has no bearing on our lives.
 

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I was close to trading in the somewhat gashog of a truck , I went looking at two different Jeeps, the Compass and the patriot. both come in either 4x2 FWD or 4X4 with 4 cly. besides the cars program chrysler is matching what the gov is putting up , and I would also be able to use my dads employee discount, as I could save up to a possible 13000. Well, went to the first dealership ( 2 here locally ) they were completely sold out of both modles i was interested in. SO off to the second dealership, they too were sold out, but unlike the first dealership the second, the salewoman took down my name and said they would call if they got one in. So i asked her some questions about the whole mess, and she said that yes i could use my dads discount besides what they are matching and the GOV part. HOWEVER ... ( I went back and couldnt find it at the time ) They fail to mention that the car you are turning in has to be paid IN FULL . :lol:

But with my truck having under 100K miles still quailfied for the chrylser rebate,. So i could save up to 9K off a new car . I really wasnt wanting another payment BUT, If i could get a new fuel sipping car with a lifetime warranty at a lower price WHY NOT ? . while I dont think all the cars should be sent to the shreader , because there are many of us that cant afford a new car , and have to stick with what we got, junk yards could sell the GOOD parts off to keep the older cars still going for now. just like with me I parted out a 76 beetle , friend in the local vw club had a minor accident with his 72 and needed some body panels, Lucky for him I had what he needed, So it helped him out , helped me out and kept his Beetle alive and still going :)
 

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beware of shoddy dealer practices...here's what happened to me...

i was gonna try to use the 90 90 as trade fodder (but first, you know, drop a slightly higher mileage 20v in it instead of letting them destroy a fully rebuilt one). the car gets 18/24 respectively, around town i see 17-19. mixed is about 19-23 depending. so i go to the nissan dealership (who was matching rebates, plus i qualified for their $1500 "owner convert" discount). i say i have a 90 audi 90q, does it qualify for c4c.

after 3 hours of waiting (well, not so much waiting as they kept thinking it was a v8 quattro when trying to get a quote), i test-drove the altima hybrid (junk), sentra (zippy with the 6mt, with the cvt not so), and versa (a 1.8 with a 6mt in an econobox? NICE!). i decided on a 1.8s versa hatch, priced somewhere after all the discounts and before c4c at around 11 and change.

sales manager comes back and says it's all good, they'll get my white versa ready, just bring the title and a check for $2798.67 and i'll own my versa. SWEET. i run immediately to the bank (who wouldn't?), get my $2800 check (i figure, the $1.33 is a tip), go so far as to take insurance off the 90, put it on the versa, and basically give geico the $600 to pay the policy in full.

i run home, get the title, clean the car, and head back 30 minutes to the dealership. i pull in, take the plate off the 90, say, let's do this, and that's when i get called in to the office.

sales manager says that they made a grave error (after we all signed on the dotted line), and that unfortunately, the car they thought i had (v8q) qualified, but my 90 did not as its mixed rating was .5 mpg over the alloted limit. i could, however, still trade in my car for $500. needless to say, i was irritated. i now had to transfer the insurance back on the 90, void the bank check, and put more gas in the car (i wasted my 1/2 tank running around getting ready for the versa).

recourse is kinda futile at this point i suppose (it's not the dealer's fault my car didn't qualify, it's only their fault they made an error on the car model), but i've being hearing more and more stories such as this. people are getting all psyched up, they go so far as to get the funds ready, only to be kinda royally screwed by obamaism.

18mpg is not really all that high of a number, i think an even 25 would be better, get rid of some of the smaller suv's too, and maybe even some corvettes too (god i'd love to see someone DESTROY a corvette ls1 motor)

i'm waiting for the first buyers to default when obama REALLY destroys our economy in about a year. we're not done yet, this is just a placebo to make us think things are getting better (a common trait of socialism).

i think i got a better deal anyways (i sold the 90 last week for $1200, and 3 days prior bought a jetta for $1700 that gets better mileage than a honda civic around town).
 

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AND you could have asked if they were using the right model ( engine ) Audi before you did all that ;) Dealers arent THAT bright :D
 
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