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Maybe its just the libertarian in me but I don't like the sound of this. Kind of smells like theocracy.


Recruits Sought for Porn Squad

By Barton Gellman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, September 20, 2005; A21

The FBI is joining the Bush administration's War on Porn. And it's looking for a few good agents.

Early last month, the bureau's Washington Field Office began recruiting for a new anti-obscenity squad. Attached to the job posting was a July 29 Electronic Communication from FBI headquarters to all 56 field offices, describing the initiative as "one of the top priorities" of Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales and, by extension, of "the Director." That would be FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III.

Mischievous commentary began propagating around the water coolers at 601 Fourth St. NW and its satellites, where the FBI's second-largest field office concentrates on national security, high-technology crimes and public corruption.

The new squad will divert eight agents, a supervisor and assorted support staff to gather evidence against "manufacturers and purveyors" of pornography -- not the kind exploiting children, but the kind that depicts, and is marketed to, consenting adults.

"I guess this means we've won the war on terror," said one exasperated FBI agent, speaking on the condition of anonymity because poking fun at headquarters is not regarded as career-enhancing. "We must not need any more resources for espionage."

Among friends and trusted colleagues, an experienced national security analyst said, "it's a running joke for us."

A few of the printable samples:

"Things I Don't Want On My Resume, Volume Four."

"I already gave at home."

"Honestly, most of the guys would have to recuse themselves."

Federal obscenity prosecutions, which have been out of style since Attorney General Edwin Meese III in the Reagan administration made pornography a signature issue in the 1980s, do "encounter many legal issues, including First Amendment claims," the FBI headquarters memo noted.

Applicants for the porn squad should therefore have a stomach for the kind of material that tends to be most offensive to local juries. Community standards -- along with a prurient purpose and absence of artistic merit -- define criminal obscenity under current Supreme Court doctrine.

"Based on a review of past successful cases in a variety of jurisdictions," the memo said, the best odds of conviction come with pornography that "includes bestiality, urination, defecation, as well as sadistic and masochistic behavior." No word on the universe of other kinks that helps make porn a multibillion-dollar industry.

Popular acceptance of hard-core pornography has come a long way, with some of its stars becoming mainstream celebrities and their products -- once confined to seedy shops and theaters -- being "purveyed" by upscale hotels and most home cable and satellite television systems. Explicit sexual entertainment is a profit center for companies including General Motors Corp. and Rupert Murdoch's News Corp. (the two major owners of DirecTV), Time Warner Inc. and the Sheraton, Hilton, Marriott and Hyatt hotel chains.

But Gonzales endorses the rationale of predecessor Meese: that adult pornography is a threat to families and children. Christian conservatives, long skeptical of Gonzales, greeted the pornography initiative with what the Family Research Council called "a growing sense of confidence in our new attorney general."

Congress began funding the obscenity initiative in fiscal 2005 and specified that the FBI must devote 10 agents to adult pornography. The bureau decided to create a dedicated squad only in the Washington Field Office. "All other field offices may investigate obscenity cases pursuant to this initiative if resources are available," the directive from headquarters said. "Field offices should not, however, divert resources from higher priority matters, such as public corruption."

Public corruption, officially, is fourth on the FBI's priority list, after protecting the United States from terrorist attack, foreign espionage and cyber-based attacks. Just below those priorities are civil rights, organized crime, white-collar crime and "significant violent crime." The guidance from headquarters does not mention where pornography fits in.

"The Department of Justice and the Federal Bureau of Investigation's top priority remains fighting the war on terrorism," said Justice Department press secretary Brian Roehrkasse. "However, it is not our sole priority. In fact, Congress has directed the department to focus on other priorities, such as obscenity."

At the FBI's field office, spokeswoman Debra Weierman expressed disappointment that some of her colleagues find grist for humor in the new campaign. "The adult obscenity squad . . . stems from an attorney general mandate, funded by Congress," she said. "The personnel assigned to this initiative take the responsibility of this assignment very seriously and are dedicated to the success of this program."
 

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I don't like the sound of it, either. There's a world of difference between "pornography" and legal "obscenity." Which are they going after? This article sure doesn't make it very clear.
 

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but then those of us in Alabama are going to have our morality protected by Roy Moore 'the 10 commandments' judge; he's running for governor.
 

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Did I miss something. I wasn't aware that the terrorist threat to the United States had been eliminated, or that there were no kidnappings, or bank robberies, or any other crimes that the FBI is tasked with had been fixed.

I is nice to know that we live in a 100% law abiding society now (well, except for the all pervasive Porn menace).
 

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Don't you guys know that we are involved in a Holy war and this is just the next step towards establishing our own Church State country based on religious values.:rolleyes:
Ironic isn't it?:rolleyes:
 

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adult pornography is a threat to families and children.
WHAT? Ok, I'm all for keeping porn out of the hands of children and kiddie porn is just gross and a HUGE "No-No", but are you people really gonna tell me that you DON'T own porn?

Maybe I'll be the first to admit that I have (what I think to be) a healthy amount of "porn". I don't see what the big deal is. No one has ever forced porn on me, I've never gotten the urge to go out and re-inact what I have seen on film with strangers or those who are unwilling to participate.

Can someone PLEASE explain to me how porn is a threat to families? :confused:

For me porn is a way to spice things up a bit. Whether it be for my own personal enjoyment (no one loves me better than me!;)) or for myself and a partner.


Some people just aren't comfortable with sexuality in general, and I TRULY feel sorry for those people. For WHATEVER reason, they either don't know how to enjoy themselves sexually, or they're just opressing themselves and others. What's the term for that...? Oh yeah! PRUDE!
 

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Some people just aren't comfortable with sexuality in general, and I TRULY feel sorry for those people. For WHATEVER reason, they either don't know how to enjoy themselves sexually, or they're just opressing themselves and others. What's the term for that...? Oh yeah! PRUDE!

Welcome to America.
 

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Severecaraddict said:
Can someone PLEASE explain to me how porn is a threat to families? :confused:
The magazine inserts can give a person a mean paper cut.
 

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jcroft said:
The magazine inserts can give a person a mean paper cut.
Thank you for someone else going there!

From the moment I saw the thread title and everytime since;

I'm picturing an internal FBI Porn Project. Complete with web-cam and cross dressing agents...............

ummm

but we already know I'm twisted. A little. Okay.

A lot. :rolleyes:
 

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So is alcohol, cigs and the like----don't even get me going on child-porn etc----------

educate your children with facts-------the stuff is out there and will always be-------------

give the tools to make educated choices while armed with the pros and cons.

Making it go away is as likely as;

everyone agreeing on a president

that president NOT having his on agenda

me knowing when NOT to open my mouth............
 

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So is alcohol, cigs and the like----don't even get me going on child-porn etc----------

educate your children with facts-------the stuff is out there and will always be-------------

give the tools to make educated choices while armed with the pros and cons.

Making it go away is as likely as;

everyone agreeing on a president

that president NOT having his on agenda

me knowing when NOT to open my mouth............
A question was asked why it was threat to families, all I did was answer the question. Alcohol and tobaco were not part of the question.
 

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jcroft said:
The magazine inserts can give a person a mean paper cut.
You mean porn still comes in magazines?:p

In the grand scheme of law enforcement, I don't think this 'task force' is a good use of resources. I'm not as concerned with catching people who look at pictures in the privacy of their own home.

My guess would be that their theory is that adult porn leads to more drug use, kiddie porn, and sex crimes I haven't researched crime statistics, but I would hazard a guess that most of the 'porn traffickers' are also involved in numerous other crimes.
 

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But in reality...there is a very small percentage of those that look at porn and it does lead them to crimes. Many many many people look at porn that doesnt make them horrible people or mean that they are going to go do serious crimes.

This whole thing is stupid...I really feel like the government is pushing their authority on this one...
 

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But in reality...there is a very small percentage of those that look at porn and it does lead them to crimes. Many many many people look at porn that doesnt make them horrible people or mean that they are going to go do serious crimes.
I'm glad someone else gets it. Like I said in my previous post, have a healthy amount of porn in my personal collection, but I've never had any desire to go out and re-inact anythign I've seen on film or in a magazine with someone who wasn't interested in the same.
One of the biggest fulfillments of sex is doing it with someone who wants to do it with you too.
 

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Smileybug said:
But in reality...there is a very small percentage of those that look at porn and it does lead them to crimes. Many many many people look at porn that doesnt make them horrible people or mean that they are going to go do serious crimes.

This whole thing is stupid...I really feel like the government is pushing their authority on this one...
Just like everything else in the media people want to bitch about. MOST of us don't shoot people after we play Grand Theft Auto. MOST of us don't blow up our school after we watch Pulp Fiction. MOST of us don't rape girls after we watch 8mm.

And for those who do -- frankly, there was already something wrong with them. It was bound to happen anyway.

It's like they said in the South Park movie -- parents just want to blame everyone else before someone thinks of blaming them. Or like Eminem said, "don't blame me when little Eric jumps off the terrance. You shoulda been watching him -- apparently you ain't parents."
 

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jcroft said:
Eminem said, "don't blame me when little Eric jumps off the terrance. You shoulda been watching him -- apparently you ain't parents."


EXCELLENT quote! Parents are so quick to blame TV and radio for the corruption of their kids when they need to look at themselves for allowing their childrend to watch and listen to that stuff that they disapprove of.
 
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