[MyOtherRidesAVette]

Bet your right!

Here's the whole rear fog thing DIY, indicator in cluster, etc, batted around early this year
http://newbeetle.org/forums/styling-modifications/49214-rear-fogs-again-help.html

M.

 

[Opelmania]

I do have a rear fog light. Still no light. On the cluster either. I just didn't run any more jumper wires.

 

[IndyTom]

I do have a rear fog light. Still no light. On the cluster either. I just didn't run any more jumper wires.

I don't really care if the rear fog light shows up on the instrument cluster I just want it to work.
Hey, I found this on ECS tuning.
Volkswagen New Beetle 1.8T > Search > Rear Fog Light > ES#1251 European Rear Fog Light Kit - 1J0998001
Would that do the trick? I may give that a try. Looks like and inexpensive way to get it to work.

 

[MyOtherRidesAVette]

That's the kit everyone uses. But it is a VW part and is available, sometimes cheaper, elsewhere on the net. I'm not sure what you mean by "an inexpensive way to get it to work", You need the light assembly, AND the switch to have the rear fog. The switch you bought also has a position for the front fog only (parking lights on, headlights off), and the ability to add in the rear fog to the mix, or turn it on all by itself (required for street parking at night in some Eurpopean countires). The thread covers all that if you'd read through it, and the indicator light in the instrument cluster was only on one (or a couple) years. The OEM switch has the rear fog icon light up, that is what we were talking about earlier. I snagged my rear rear fog light assembly from someone on here who was selling one they had either not installed or removed before a sale, I don't remember. Installation includes running a lone single wire from the switch to the rear location, it is not a plug and play.

M.

 

[IndyTom]

That's the kit everyone uses. But it is a VW part and is available, sometimes cheaper, elsewhere on the net. I'm not sure what you mean by "an inexpensive way to get it to work", You need the light assembly, AND the switch to have the rear fog. The switch you bought also has a position for the front fog only (parking lights on, headlights off), and the ability to add in the rear fog to the mix, or turn it on all by itself (required for street parking at night in some Eurpopean countires). The thread covers all that if you'd read through it, and the indicator light in the instrument cluster was only on one (or a couple) years. The OEM switch has the rear fog icon light up, that is what we were talking about earlier. I snagged my rear rear fog light assembly from someone on here who was selling one they had either not installed or removed before a sale, I don't remember. Installation includes running a lone single wire from the switch to the rear location, it is not a plug and play.

M.

Oh, I see. So you don't just ran the wire from the switch to the back light and change out the bulb? It requires a totally new fog light. Okay, enough said. I will pass on that for now.

On another note. The Euro Switch works great but the DRL's are still on even with that pin that was bent back. Now they do turn off when I switch to the parking light setting but they are still on at the normal Lights off position. Any ideas?

 

[Opelmania]

Not true. You can change out the lamp in the housing. That is what I did. I have a red LED lamp in there. You do have to run a wire from the harness to the rear though and connect the jumper wire to the switch/harness. I had help with that at ToD. :thup:

M.-> I don't think I can run my rear fog by itself while parked. I'll have to go out and find out.

 

[MyOtherRidesAVette]

I stand corrected!

Yep, my bad, I believe you are right.

These are the seven positions of the Euroswitch

[OFF]
[Parking/Running Only] 1st Pull [Parking/Running & Front Fog] 2nd Pull [Parking/Running, Front & Rear Fogs]
[Parking/Running & Headlights] 1st Pull [Parking/Running & Headlights & Front Fog] 2nd Pull [Parking/Running, Headlights & Front & Rear Fogs]

It would be interesting to know how this is handled in Euro countries that require JUST the rear red on, on the street side of the automobile. Perhaps one of our fine members from across the pond... Blugg?...

And yes, what you've have done will work, but I have read of others who have done this did not get the intensity of the red rear fog lens with the std clear bulb.

M.

 

[Opelmania]

My lenses are tinted white and the red LED lamp that Duffy gave me is plenty bright. :thup:

I was also wondering how the rear fog would be on while parked. :dunno:

 

[IndyTom]

My lenses are tinted white and the red LED lamp that Duffy gave me is plenty bright. :thup:

I was also wondering how the rear fog would be on while parked. :dunno:

I am from Germany and lived there for over 20 years and I never heard anything regarding turning on the Rear Fog Light when you are parked regardless if it is dark or not. Actually there is a Law that states the Rear Fog light can only be turned on if there is actual Fog which limits visibilty to less then 50 meters. The front fogs may be used during heavy rain or snowfall the rear may not! Also if you do turn on your rear fog light you are automatically required by law to go no more than 50kmh/30mph. They take these rear fog lights very seriously and you can get ticketed if you have it on and there is no fog. I once accidentally had my rear fog light on during a clear day and I got honked at and yelled at by other drivers. I had no clue what the heck their problem was until I pulled into a gas station to fill up my POS Opel Corsa and the guy next to me at the pump advised me that my rear fog light was on and that is a HUGE No No over there. So I can't imagine that they require anywhere in Europe to turn on this very Bright rear fog light if you are parked. I could see maybe the parking lights if you are parked half way in the street and there is no street light but never the fog light.

Here is the German law regarding rear fog light use:
Verwendungsbestimmungen in Deutschland [Bearbeiten]

Nebelscheinwerfer und Nebelschlussleuchte dürfen nur bei einer witterungsbedingten Sichtbehinderung verwendet werden. In Deutschland dürfen Nebelschlussleuchten (hinten) nur dann benutzt werden, wenn durch Nebel (nicht durch Regen- oder Schneefall) die Sichtweite weniger als 50 m beträgt, und dann auch nur außerhalb geschlossener Ortschaften (§ 17 Abs. 3 Satz 5 StVO). Die dann erlaubte Maximalgeschwindigkeit beträgt 50 km/h. Entgegen einer weitverbreiteten Auffassung können in Deutschland die Nebelscheinwerfer (vorne) bei Sichtbehinderung durch Nebel, Schneefall oder Regen eingeschaltet werden. Ob die Sichtweite weniger als 50 Meter beträgt, ist nur für die Nebelschlussleuchte relevant. Ein Synonym für die vorderen Nebelscheinwerfer ist auch "Schlechtwetterscheinwerfer", der die Verwendungsbestimmung in Deutschland besser konkretisiert.

Just FYI

 

[IndyTom]

I found out why the daylight running lights were still on even with the bent tab on the Euroswitch. Whoever bent that tab actually bent the wrong one. The TFL / (Tagfahrlight) wasn't bent instead the tab labeled "B" was bent instead. I carefully straightened the B Tab back and won't worry about the TFL tab at this time. Hate to break the switch.
Just FYI....

 

[Opelmania]

Just cut the DRL wire to the harness and tape the ends. I actually used this pin in the harness to run my rear fog. If you ever want to go back, butt connect it back together.

 

[IndyTom]

A bent "B" is what works for my car...the TFL bent had no effect.

That is pretty weird since the TFL tab is the Daylight Running light (Tagfahrlicht) tab. Not sure what the B tab stands for but it didn't do anything for me. I didn't want to try and bend the TFL tab since I didn't want to risk breaking it. I was a little worried straightening out the B tab but it lined up just fine and the switch installed very easily. I guess I will leave my Daylight running lights alone for now.

 

[IndyTom]

Note that the little tiny lights below the headlights still come on even with the bent tab, but not the DRLs...

What lights are you refering to? The parking lights? On the Euroswitch the first position is for the parking lights where the DRL's automatically turn off. You don't need to bend any tabs in order to have those on and the DRL's off.

 

[IndyTom]

No, I'm referring to the two tiny lights directly under the projectors. I think these are what are referred to as "city lights." You can see them in the photo below. They're small, but they illuminate the silver area below the headlights.

Without bending the "B" pin, I had DRLs coming on in every position of my Euroswitch, except for when it was off.

WOW, that is weird. Are you saying the DRL's weren't on in the Off position when you didn't have the B tab bent?
Anyway, on my beetle with the B tab bent I still had DRL's on in the OFF position but not in the Parking light position. Now that I have bend the B tab back to normal nothing has changed. Still have DRL's in the OFF postiion but not in the Parking light position. I never noticed the "city lights" as you call them. Perhaps my older 2000 Beetle doesn't have them? I have to check just out of curiosity.
Thanks for your input.

 

[MyOtherRidesAVette]

What I was trying to say was, the DRLs came on all the time (except when the lights were in the "off" position). Until I bent the "B" pin, the Euroswitch still allowed the DRLS to come on in the middle position, and the "everything on" right position.

The city lights are very small, almost Christmas tree light small, but they're bright enough to reflect in the well under the projectors.

It sounds like you have halogen e-code headlights with city lights. They might have been an option on your car from the factory, not sure about that. I also believe they were either standard or an option on the NA Turbo S, perhaps only certain MY. They may have come without range adjusters. European installation includes range adjustment motors and an in dash switch to control these range adjustment motors. The switch replaces the dash light dimmer switch.

The city lights are small, 5w incadescent bulbs, in the headlight housings, below the projectors and are on when the parking lights are on. On European models they may have been wired as our DRLs are, again I don't know. The "city lights" bulb can be seen in this picture

The e-code headlights are addressed in the Bentley Repair Manual. I have a pair (e-code with city lights), complete with range adjuster motors and switch, that may ultimately find their way into either my NBC or my NBT.

As to the DRL pin, apparently in some models/years it is the TFL pin, in others it is the B pin. Would have to do a little research to know why. I believe DRLs are a feature that VW added into the NA market cars to comply with Canadian law, and the feature simply overflowed into the US market.
http://newbeetle.org/forums/technical-how/1168-disabling-daily-runing-lights-drls-how.html

A little more information on VW e-code headlights (Mk IV)
E code headlights, what are they?

Below is the headlight switch pin identification table

M.
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[Opelmania]

That's exactly what I was thinking when I read that post about the little lights. :thup:

Tom-> Your car doesn't have the city lights. You should be able to diable the DRL's no problem.

 

[IndyTom]

A bent "B" is what works for my car...the TFL bent had no effect.

Okay, today I did go back out and removed the Euroswitch and taped up the TFL Tab with a thin strip of Laminate plastic. That worked actually pretty well. Plugged it back in and voila, DRL's are no more. Not sure why on some Beetle's the "B" Tab disables the DRLs but on my Beetle the "TFL" pin disabled my DRLs or "TagFahrLicht" as it is called in German.
I only did this in order to install my HID kit from HIDextra.
They had a 50% off Black Friday Sale and I went with the 5000K (they didn't offer 4300) and the Slim Matte Black ballasts for $32.49 shipped. They should arrive sometime this week and we shall see how they work.

Oh, BTW, this Euroswitch is first rate quality. Very smooth operation and very easy to get in and out. So if this isn't an OEM switch than it is a very HIGH Quality Aftermarket.