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Really looking for ideas here.

Use this thread as a plan for future drives.

What should we do different? What should we add? Subtract?

I would really hate to see TSD fizzle out and be forgotten.

Please share your thoughts/suggestions below!
 

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Hey Matt,

My 2 cents is to look at the TOD and BOD Event formats, and use them as a basis to keep building up the TSD event.

Key points are to communicate early and often the details of the event, on the Org and FB and Tumbler, and Twitter, etc....

Just be consistent with the format of the event (i.e. driving event, with various food and sightseeing activities), and be clear as to when what things are to happen (pre-event dinners, format for the day or day's, suggested bugavan thread for people traveling from different area's).

But, in the end, it's all about the experience of the event itself. Reach-out to previous year participants, and get them to help promote the event, and make sure you take their input as well to help make it a better or more fun event.

That would be my input bud. The drive itself looks amazing, and I would love to attend myself. Just need to work it into the schedule.

Keep us posted :wave3:
 

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Hey Matt,

My 2 cents is to look at the TOD and BOD Event formats, and use them as a basis to keep building up the TSD event.

Key points are to communicate early and often the details of the event, on the Org and FB and Tumbler, and Twitter, etc....

Just be consistent with the format of the event (i.e. driving event, with various food and sightseeing activities), and be clear as to when what things are to happen (pre-event dinners, format for the day or day's, suggested bugavan thread for people traveling from different area's).

But, in the end, it's all about the experience of the event itself. Reach-out to previous year participants, and get them to help promote the event, and make sure you take their input as well to help make it a better or more fun event.

That would be my input bud. The drive itself looks amazing, and I would love to attend myself. Just need to work it into the schedule.

Keep us posted :wave3:
Agree with all of Rob's points, especially having a group of folk working in concert with you.

Also, if I may add. Find a concrete annual date for the event. If I'm not mistaken, this year's date changed, which conflicted with Back of The Dragon. A concrete annual date, helps attendees to plan their schedules better, as well as eliminating cross-scheduling GtG's.
 

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I feel easily accessible information listing the what, where, when and why's of it and then promote it to be a key. As I understand, weather was the culprit this year and nothing could be done about that.

TSD and BoD are fairly far apart location-wise and should co-exist easily even if on the same date.
 

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Great ideas! Keep 'em coming! These will all be great at hopefully getting this guy straightened out!
 

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I see this thread started a while ago, and it's been a long time since I've posted here on the Org. Jumping through the hoops of having my password changed to a far more complicated set of characters didn't help, either. I've been in a state of suspended animation for a few months that my closest friends here understand, and I'll just leave it at that for now. I'm in the process of keeping TSD alive, but with a change: in hopes that more people will be interested, I've proposed that this become an all-VW GTG instead of just water Beetles. Obviously, most people here have Beetles as this is the Org, but I know some of you have moved on to other VWs. I have myself.... I don't even know how many Orgers are even still active here, but I started a similar post on the Collective, and some TSD veterans are already cool with this idea. So, whoever sees this, drop a line and let me know what you think.
 

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My 5¢ worth.....

Pat,

We had a ball at Talimena when we went. Dammit Kevin has become a staple in our everyday language!

Contrary to popular belief we still have a Beetle. Wifey drives SkyyBug every day. We bought the Tiguan (Klaus) for a month long driving excursion to Alaska. That trip had been modified. The route is 4,500 miles each way and in some places it's days from a hospital so we are flying up and renting an RV this September.

That being said, We will be swapping the Tiguan for a Beetle when the 2017s come out. I would LOVE a diesel or an AWD Beetle but I don't see VW catching up with Fiat or Mini in the AWD dept anytime soon. I will get a R-line with the DSG tranny. That will be our travel car again. I will put a trailer hitch on it so I can pull a "Marvin Trailer" around and have more cockpit room. I hate the thought of a gas engine but it's the only option to keep my deep seated Beetle fetish alive.

Talimena again would be great. One problem was the time of year it was held. To us it didn't matter as we can pretty much go anywhere any time. Being in the peak of the fall foliage season, prices for everything from Pizza to hotels was at their highest. We also had that killer fog right out of a Stephen King story to deal with.

I too agree with a concrete date for the trip. It would be alot easier to plan for if it was on the 7th Saturday of the same month every year (illustration purposes only). Once the date is decided on, stick to it. If it is changed every time someone can't make it because their dog has a kidney infection or someone is getting married it all falls apart. No one can make every date. The entire New Beetle world knows When TOD and Rosewell happens. If you can make it great, if not, then next year.

I've been to, Seen and put together New Beetle/Beetle events. Seen some prosper and some die. The common thread was we had a ball at all of them. Sure some parts got tense, but that's life.

I would bring Klaus or the next Mystery Beetle (We know what he is already, just being sneaky!) to Talimena if I knew about it far enough in advance or if it was around a Bikini contest. ;-)

Keep plugging away at it.

Chuckie
 

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I can't set a concrete date for TSD because my weekends off switch every year. It is very difficult to get a co-worker to make a swap, so the best I can do is a time frame within a 2-3 week period that will fluctuate year-to-year. While ToD is always the 1st weekend in May, Roswell as well as BoD always fluctuate a bit, but this will now be an all-VW event, anyway. I feel that water-Beetle-only events will continue to shrink in size and could disappear altogether if the new rumors (post Dieselgate) that 2018 will be the car's last year of production turn out to be true. Yes, Type 1's are everywhere and plentiful at VW gatherings, but 21.5 million of them were built as opposed to maybe 10-15% of that for NBs and 2012+ Beetles combined. Thus, IMO, if the Beetle is dropped in '18, water-Beetle-only gatherings would be like having a Toyota Echo or Plymouth K-Car convention...
 

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Stop worrying about it!

Pat,

Send me your address and I will get some Xanax to you! You need to stop worrying about if and when the Beetle will get the axe. There are a lot of these cars from 98 and 99 still running around and their owners love them. I know Wifey will keep Skyybug forever and my next Beetle will probably be my last car as well.

With age and care your car grows in value to you and those who love them. Abandoning a car you once loved because you feel they won't keep making them is like throwing out your spouse because their boobs are going to droop or their periscope won't rise any more in the future. It's all pure hogwash.

Are we going to quit being friends when the current Beetle isn't in production anymore? I don't need a reason to drive across the country to hang out with friends I've made. Is my choice of car just a convenient excuse to hang out in New Mexico with Antoine or to drive in the fog in Oklahoma with you? Of course not.

I love your dedication to TSD. It is a great ride everyone should do at least once. I think you should maybe rethink your role in it's planning and execution. For the event to survive and grow you are going to have to set a date and stick to it. It's extremely difficult to have an annual event that can't be planned for. I am filling up next years schedule as we speak. A cross country road trip is is an expensive proposition both financially and time wise.

The hard and ugly question you have to ask yourself, and please believe me I am not trying to upset you here, is what is this GTG about? Is it about a bunch of enthusiasts getting together yearly and enjoying their cars and friendships or is it about you and your schedule.

I can't speak for anyone else here, but I am pretty sure if Al couldn't make TOD this year for some reason the dates would still be the same and people would still go and have fun. Same with Antoine and Roswell. Roswell presents it's own unique set of challenges due to other events being held in the city at the same time. Bryson City doesn't have those issues yet.

Until a firm date is set that I can pencil into my calendar pretty far in advance I can't commit to anything as much as I would like to.

Love ya brother, Just please try and relax about the Beetle's future. Would hate to see YOU blow a gasket over something like this you can't control. (VW policy wise)

Chuckie
 

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I hear where you're coming from but have to disagree on a couple of points: IMO, ToD without Al or RTR without Antoine would be like going to a Rolling Stones concert without Mick Jagger. I'm not trying to sound pompous in regard to TSD, but I was one of the founders.

As for a car being discontinued, I see I'm clearly different from most, and perhaps I was so passionate about water-Beetles for the wrong reasons. I grew up in the old air-cooleds just like many others. I was devastated at age 20 when VW killed the Bug in the US the first time. When they finally decided to bring it back in 1998, I got interested in the company again. For all that time in between, believe it or not, I was like so many elitist aircooled people and held to the philosophy that a "real" Volkswagen had a rear engine with no antifreeze. I couldn't afford a NB in 1998-1999 because of the waiting lists and the huge markups over sticker even when one became available, so I did the next-best thing: I bought a used Golf. Once I drove a water-cooled Volkswagen, I realized how dead wrong my stubborn attitude was toward "modern" VWs. In fact, to this day, I'm still blown away by how anyone could still prefer an air-cooled relic over a NB or 2012+ Beetle. Yes, they're more expensive and more difficult for DIY mechanics, but they're 1000 times the car that the Type 1 was. And yet, here we are, nearly 19 years into the water-cooled Beetle's tenure, and your typical VW show will still have 10-20 aircooled Bugs for each NB or 12+. And now, the current Beetle's sales have really tanked while something like a Mini Cooper still sells 3 times as many units.... and probably has 300 times as many active enthusiasts....:confused:

I love Volkswagen and will never leave the brand, but I also realize the key reason I was so passionate about Post-1998 Beetles was because the people were so different. It didn't matter if you had a showroom-fresh brand new car or a 10-12-year-old one with lots of war bruises. It also didn't matter whether it was Bone Stock or modified to the hilt. Everyone was treated equally, and you definitely won't find that at "regular" VW shows. Instead, you either have the die-hard air-cooled crowd, some of which don't even know what a Jetta, Tiguan, or Passat IS, or a bunch of young tuner kids with slammed, bagged, rides equipped with wheels that cost more than I paid for my entire car. Thus, what I found with the NB/12+ community was acceptance of a late-model bone-stock car, which to the best of my knowledge, one will find nowhere else.

But...along with that, I just can't bring myself to keeping a model that will no longer be made. Of course, nobody knows this for sure, but it's very possible the Beetle's days could be numbered, thanks to the money VW will have to cough up for Dieselgate. Yes, it's reasonable to think that there could be 2017 or 2018 Beetles at shows in 2035 or 2040, but due to low sales and the fact that the aftermarket doesn't support water-cooled Beetles any more than they would a Plymouth Horizon, there will be very few, and the main object I could never get past is the fact that one would never be able to buy a new VW Beetle again. Where I'm decidedly different is that I looked at events like RTR and ToD as first and foremost a message to the rest of the world of automotive enthusiasts that our cars mattered while everybody else placed the friendships first, but the friendships would have never spawned if not for the cars in the first place. If VW takes the cars themselves out of the equation by dropping them from their lineup, the message part becomes irrelevant despite the friendships that remain. That's what I meant when I said a water-Beetle GTG following a discontinuation or even confirmation of an impending axing would be like holding a Dodge Neon or Chevy Cavalier convention. The only thing that would be worse in my view would be if the entire VW brand disappeared, as some predicted at Dieselgate's height. That ain't gonna happen, folks....

And this is why I'm trying to change TSD to an all-VW gathering, so that those with other models that happen to hold the "all people are created equal" dogma from having been a part of the NB/12+ community can still rekindle established friendships and have fun with their cars all in one. Eventually, Passats, Jettas, Golfs, GTIs, Tiguans, etc of today will become tomorrow's vintage VWs, but if the WATER Beetle is killed in a couple of years, that would become more like a Corrado or Fox. Unique, yes, but fellow owners would be few and far between.
 

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Matty, May I suggest starting an official TSD planning thread. That way folk can have an official place for info, along with all info on the first page, which is easy to copy/paste in posts along the thread.

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So....I have a feeling that there are very few people over here anymore as opposed to FB, but in case someone sees this, the date for TSD 2016 will be the weekend of Oct 15-16, and it is now open to all VWs.
What is this, some kind of joke? Where's the dedicated thread; the who, what, where, the rest of the when, and why? Is the date even legitimate?
 

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What is this, some kind of joke?
No surprise at that comment, as everything I post either here or on the Collective that you see earns cynical remarks, but this time around, as a last-ditch effort on my part, I'm trying to make this an all-VW event. I'm no longer in a Beetle and therefore not active on here anymore, and only a handful of past TSD regulars have shown interest as it is, and all of those people now go to FB, anyway. Even there, the lack of dialogue pertaining to this is not very encouraging at the moment. Put simply, I'm not going to drive 840 miles one way and go 36 hours without sleep if no more than 3-4 cars show up.
 

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No surprise at that comment, as everything I post either here or on the Collective that you see earns cynical remarks
Untrue but don't let facts get in the way. Rather, ignore the rest of my questions. This attitude you have is going to kill TSD. This shouldn't be about you but rather about the gtg - whether you are there or not.
 

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It is my hope that folk will.attend T.O.D. without me. I'm not Jagger, David Lee Roth, or any other front man/celebrity...nor do I claim to be or desire to be noted as such; if this is my view or objective, then T.O.D. will fade away to extinction.

T.O.D. was planned in '09 by those who attended. The planning and its model, was shaped, so that folk can plan accordingly each year. furthermore, so the event can carry on, if a certain member wasn't present, as well as allowing others to pick up the torch and carry on- a next generation if you will.

One of the sad events in my org/beetle history/life, was the passing of orger Retrorich, and the Berea OH GtG's. Rich was Berea as well as a beloved orger. After his passing, Berea faded away, and sadly, I never had the pleasure of attending.

Our events need to be planned, so that others can carry on, if we should go toes-up. Are there faces to those who plan and attend the event?...sure; but we need to plan, so if one face doesn't show up, it doesn't stop the show from continuing- we carry on in their absence or in their memory (SixChuter).

Folk will miss us if we don't attend. but if our event planning is hinged upon that premise, we're doing a major disservice to the event and the longevity of it.

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Well, here is what I've done:

I have asked Dustin (Matty D) to take the reins. Whether he does or not, I don't know. If not, maybe Randi will. Thus far, the consensus leans toward a permanent time frame of the 2nd weekend in November. That takes me out, as my employer doesn't give anyone time off in Nov or Dec (except Christmas Day). I no longer drive a Beetle, anyway. I wish everyone else the best of luck. As for close friends within this circle, I may try to arrange an unlisted all-VW gathering at some future date.
 
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