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Beetlemania said:
My frustration currently stems mostly from a guy at work who wears Christian shirts, practices guitar for his church band while listening to Christian music during his breaks, often judges others for their shortcomings, and to top it off he likes to break company property that we all have to use.
I bet he is the type who loves porn. No, seriously, he might. A recent study found out, that the more a person puts on 'airs', about how much he/she is into Christ, as in, the whole church life, just about the way you describe that guy, that that person was more likely to be into porn, and at some point, that always finds a way to reveal itself.

In the Bible, it says, don't let others hear you pray. In other words, don't go around shouting about how you do this or that for Christ; just do it, and move on.
 

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In the Bible, it says, don't let others hear you pray. In other words, don't go around shouting about how you do this or that for Christ; just do it, and move on.
i wish more people would adhere to that. :rolleyes: i always thought faith/religion was supposed to be a private thing, and now i see it making its way into political debates. i don't think it belongs there at all.

i respect anyone's right to worship whatever they want. but i have little desire to hear about it, and especially less desire to be told i too, should follow the same. :mad:
 

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callisto9 said:
i wish more people would adhere to that. :rolleyes: i always thought faith/religion was supposed to be a private thing, and now i see it making its way into political debates. i don't think it belongs there at all.

i respect anyone's right to worship whatever they want. but i have little desire to hear about it, and especially less desire to be told i too, should follow the same. :mad:
Agreed. Politics and religion should not mix. And I don't suffer well the fools who try to beat folks over the head with the Bible.
 

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callisto9 said:
i wish more people would adhere to that. :rolleyes: i always thought faith/religion was supposed to be a private thing, and now i see it making its way into political debates. i don't think it belongs there at all.

i respect anyone's right to worship whatever they want. but i have little desire to hear about it, and especially less desire to be told i too, should follow the same. :mad:
Erin, I couldn't have said it better myself!!!!
 

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Who is saying that to you? I don't care how you live. As a preacher, I don't give a flying brick. Do what you want, when you want, and to whom you want.

BUT! Hey, it would be cool of those who don't want to be told what to do, or believe in, would not give those of us who do believe in Christ a hard time about it.

Right?

I mean it. I don't expect, or want, anyone to believe in anything they don't want to. It's cool with me.
TJ, I stand up and CHEER what you said!!! Very well put!!!!!
 

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callisto9 said:
i always thought faith/religion was supposed to be a private thing, and now i see it making its way into political debates. i don't think it belongs there at all.
Agreed. I've been offended and upset lately at the fact that I've heard many people say they wouldn't elect a president who didn't have a religion. And that its important this our president believes in God. I thought one of the main reasons people came to this country was so that they could worship freely. So how is it that our president MUST be religious. I don't care if our president has religion or not. Shouldn't their leadership be based on what they can do for our country and not what they do on Sunday mornings?
 

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Beetlescott said:
Erin, I couldn't have said it better myself!!!!
thanks scott. :)

what i sometimes find troublesome is that i'm very accepting of different religions, lifestyle choices, races, traditions, but people seem to be alarmed that i don't believe in god. the see me as flawed in some way, and i'm anything but that. i lead a great life, am kind and helpful to others and have better morals than most. yet, some people can never see past that since i don't love jesus (or believe "god" exists).

religion/faith has never and will never be a part of my life and i am 100% ok with that. i'm perfectly fine without it. i just think it's such a personal choice and unless i go seeking advice or information on the subject, no one should approach me about it. it seems that many people of faith can proclaim their religion from rooftops, cars, cubes at work, wear necklaces, etc. but i should somehow keep to myself that i am atheist. :confused: i mean, i don't, really, but i also don't feel the need to label myself either. i'm not going to have bumper stickers saying "wise men still...don't believe in god" or wear atheist paraphanalia (is there any?). i guess i don't understand why people need to surround themselves with all these "things" proclaiming their faith. it kinda seems to go against what jesus stood for, doesn't it?
 

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Agreed. I've been offended and upset lately at the fact that I've heard many people say they wouldn't elect a president who didn't have a religion. And that its important this our president believes in God. I thought one of the main reasons people came to this country was so that they could worship freely. So how is it that our president MUST be religious. I don't care if our president has religion or not. Shouldn't their leadership be based on what they can do for our country and not what they do on Sunday mornings?
exactly. in fact, for me personally, i'm likely to shy away from a bible-beating presidential candidate. that being said, i don't feel it has any place in politics. a person's faith (or lack thereof) has NOTHING to do with how well they could govern our nation. nothing at all. and i hate that politicians have to pay lip service to topics like this just to be likeable. ugh, it's disgusting.

religion and politics don't mix, period.

next thing you know we'll be asking how many calories a day they consume. :rolleyes: i mean clearly, a presidential candidate who doesn't take care of their body can't possibly take care of our nation. :lol:
 

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callisto9 said:
thanks scott. :)

what i sometimes find troublesome is that i'm very accepting of different religions, lifestyle choices, races, traditions, but people seem to be alarmed that i don't believe in god. the see me as flawed in some way, and i'm anything but that. i lead a great life, am kind and helpful to others and have better morals than most. yet, some people can never see past that since i don't love jesus (or believe "god" exists).

religion/faith has never and will never be a part of my life and i am 100% ok with that. i'm perfectly fine without it. i just think it's such a personal choice and unless i go seeking advice or information on the subject, no one should approach me about it. it seems that many people of faith can proclaim their religion from rooftops, cars, cubes at work, wear necklaces, etc. but i should somehow keep to myself that i am atheist. :confused: i mean, i don't, really, but i also don't feel the need to label myself either. i'm not going to have bumper stickers saying "wise men still...don't believe in god" or wear atheist paraphanalia (is there any?). i guess i don't understand why people need to surround themselves with all these "things" proclaiming their faith. it kinda seems to go against what jesus stood for, doesn't it?
Erin, you are absolutely correct. It is your decision to make. One of my favorite scriptures is the work out your OWN salvation with fear and trembling. I totally respect you for your beliefs (or non beliefs), I do NOT believe it trying to WIN people over to my "side". That is truly what Jesus meant in his teachings!!!! *hugs Erin*
 

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Erin, you are absolutely correct. It is your decision to make. One of my favorite scriptures is the work out your OWN salvation with fear and trembling. I totally respect you for your beliefs (or non beliefs), I do NOT believe it trying to WIN people over to my "side". That is truly what Jesus meant in his teachings!!!! *hugs Erin*
:) i honestly wish there were more people like you to show the "good" side of religion and faith to me. i have so many negative experiences with it and sadly, i see it used to divide people, single people out, look down on people, etc. wars are fought over it, people are killed over it...etc. and i think it's horrible. maybe i'm just too utopian in wanting everyone to get along, but i think it's possible.

i judge each person on MY experience with them and not labels or stories told by other people. there are plenty of good christians out there, i just need to meet more of them i suppose!
 

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callisto9 said:
thanks scott. :)

what i sometimes find troublesome is that i'm very accepting of different religions, lifestyle choices, races, traditions, but people seem to be alarmed that i don't believe in god. the see me as flawed in some way, and i'm anything but that. i lead a great life, am kind and helpful to others and have better morals than most. yet, some people can never see past that since i don't love jesus (or believe "god" exists).

religion/faith has never and will never be a part of my life and i am 100% ok with that. i'm perfectly fine without it. i just think it's such a personal choice and unless i go seeking advice or information on the subject, no one should approach me about it. it seems that many people of faith can proclaim their religion from rooftops, cars, cubes at work, wear necklaces, etc. but i should somehow keep to myself that i am atheist. :confused: i mean, i don't, really, but i also don't feel the need to label myself either. i'm not going to have bumper stickers saying "wise men still...don't believe in god" or wear atheist paraphanalia (is there any?). i guess i don't understand why people need to surround themselves with all these "things" proclaiming their faith. it kinda seems to go against what jesus stood for, doesn't it?
Well said! And I agree completely. I'm not religious and going to a private school down in the good old state of North Carolina, I get grief for that. Haven't had any issues with it since Freshman year luckily but I got hounded for days by a girl on campus because she couldn't understand why I wasn't religious and didn't go to church. I see no reason why you have to believe in God to be a good person, as there are plenty of people who do believe and aren't that great of people. I admit, I have my faults but everyone does. And I live my life as accepting and open as I can and I do what I can for others. There's a lot of discrepancies I see when it comes to religion that I will never understand. Like how people who believe in God can go and do things all week long that are against their religion (cursing, illegal things [underage drinking for one, since I see that the most on a college campus]) but because they can say they are sorry on Sunday, that its all ok. I will never get that. But whatev. Most of those people will never get the way I live my life.
 

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Well said! And I agree completely. I'm not religious and going to a private school down in the good old state of North Carolina, I get grief for that. Haven't had any issues with it since Freshman year luckily but I got hounded for days by a girl on campus because she couldn't understand why I wasn't religious and didn't go to church. I see no reason why you have to believe in God to be a good person, as there are plenty of people who do believe and aren't that great of people. I admit, I have my faults but everyone does. And I live my life as accepting and open as I can and I do what I can for others. There's a lot of discrepancies I see when it comes to religion that I will never understand. Like how people who believe in God can go and do things all week long that are against their religion (cursing, illegal things [underage drinking for one, since I see that the most on a college campus]) but because they can say they are sorry on Sunday, that its all ok. I will never get that. But whatev. Most of those people will never get the way I live my life.
well said (again!).

i find many contradictions in religion. i can't even begin to wrap my head around the bible or why people have 8 bazillion interpretations of it, or cherry pick what they do and don't follow. but honestly, i don't care. if you want to believe in pages 13 - 67 and nothing else, fine by me. i don't care who you worship or why.
i remember having a conversation with a fairly religious ex co-worker of mine. we were talking about good deeds and leading our lives a certain way, and she wondered why i did those things (without the presence of god in my life, like her), and i replied "because it's the right thing to do and i WANT to lead my life this way." i'm not trying to score points with anyone - i "do unto others..." because i feel it's the right way to be, not because the bible tells me so. in a way, i feel very lucky that i wasn't brought up with religion. i feel "free" in a way. i know that sounds weird to a lot of people since they seek comfort and support in their religion, but i've never felt my life was lacking in any way. i seek comfort in friends and family, not in prayer. i believe in action more than words.

since no one truly knows what happens when we die, i don't see the point in spending a lifetime worrying about it. whatever happens, happens, and i don't believe our actions on earth influence that. i lead the life i do, free of religion, because it makes me happy, and it makes those around me happy. i tell people i love them because i do love them. i help people out because it feels good. the only person i have faith in is myself, and that's enough. ;)
 

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callisto9 said:
:) i honestly wish there were more people like you to show the "good" side of religion and faith to me. i have so many negative experiences with it and sadly, i see it used to divide people, single people out, look down on people, etc. wars are fought over it, people are killed over it...etc. and i think it's horrible. maybe i'm just too utopian in wanting everyone to get along, but i think it's possible.

i judge each person on MY experience with them and not labels or stories told by other people. there are plenty of good christians out there, i just need to meet more of them i suppose!
Thank you Erin, It is that type of "religion that brought the twin towers down on 9-11. I cannont understand how people like that can have so much hate:(
 

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Thank you Erin, It is that type of "religion that brought the twin towers down on 9-11. I cannont understand how people like that can have so much hate:(
It is also the kind of religion which caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of "witches" in europe, and of hundreds of thousands of muslims in the cruisades.
 

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I always get a little frustrated by those people that expect everyone to live by their standards when they themselves fail to do so. I now refer to bible-thumping hypocrites as "HypoChrists." (I pronounce it as a rhyme for the standard version of the word) Is that wrong?
 

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Beetlemania said:
I always get a little frustrated by those people that expect everyone to live by their standards when they themselves fail to do so. I now refer to bible-thumping hypocrites as "HypoChrists." (I pronounce it as a rhyme for the standard version of the word) Is that wrong?
:lol: Now that there is funny!
 
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