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Trouble shooting the P0411 code

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#1 ·
Good Day!
This is my first post to this forum and may be a bit unorthodox in that I have fixed the problem prior to posting. I wanted to post however for two reasons. First and foremost what I found may help others and secondly to start my presence on this new (to me) forum. So the following is my original post from two other forums (vwvortex and the ross-tech forums). Following the post copy are my results and "fix".

Good day to you all,
I am new to the forum and this is my first post. I have been pouring over the Ross-tech forum and the VWVortex forums the past few weeks in an attempt to troubleshoot and repair the P0411 code my daughter's 1998 VW Beetle has thrown. I found a wealth of information and went down various troubleshooting paths so far. I am aware that there are many possible causes for this code and am working each of them slowly. The reason for this post is two fold. In reading through the forums I have not found information specific to 1998 Beetle with a fix for my daughter's car and I frankly, have found conflicting information. So I would like clarification on part location in this specific vehicle as reason one. Reason two for the post is I am curious if any other forum members know of a specific component that is most likely to cause this fault in this specific car.
What I have done and what I think I know:
Ran a scan on the car (results below)
On a cold morning, the air pump does not run at startup
The pump is operational and appears to be in good shape. I applied 12v directly to the pump and it fires up aggressively with good air flow
I tested what I believe to be the correct pump relay by applying 12v to the throw contacts and measuring continuity to the switched contacts.
This is where I would like conformation that I have the correct relay and where I have found conflicting information as to its location. The relay location is right behind the battery and air box towards the firewall in a small relay carrier box. In this car, there are no additional fuses in the relay carrier and the only relay located in the carrier is marked 100. This is the relay I tested. Is this the correct relay?
When I short the throw contacts on the relay socket the pump does not energize. Is this normal? I am curious if another switch somewhere needs to be active for the pump to fire up.
In this car the pump "fuse" is nothing more than a copper/brass shunt between two screw terminals in a small "fuse box" mounted on top the battery. The fuses tests good with continuity.
I inspected the cables that power the pump they look fine and have continuity.
I inspected the vacuum lines to the combination switch/solenoid and they appear not to be compromised
I inspected the air hoses to and from the air injection pump and they are virtually new in appearance

What is your advice as to the next logical troubleshooting path?
Is there a way I can activate the pump in this model and year from the VCDS console? I have not found one or specific instructions on how to do so in my reading.

Thank you for listening and for any guidance. This has been a frustration that I would very much like to solve.

Ross-tech VCDS report (I have run a scan many times over the last few weeks and the results are always identical to the following):

Code:
Sunday,08,March,2020,11:54:44:08578
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 19.6.2.2 (x64) HEX-V2 CB: 0.4508.4
Data version: 20200210 DS308.0

VIN: 3VWBB61C2WM016976 License Plate: 192TMQ
Mileage: 278960km-173337mi Repair Order: 1
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Chassis Type: 1C - VW New Beetle (1998 > 2010)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 17 19 25 29 35 37 39 46 54 56 65 75

Mileage: 278960km-173337miles
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Address 01: Engine Labels: 06A-906-018-AEG.lbl
Part No: 06A 906 018 AB
Component: MOTRONIC M5.9.2 AT V06
Coding: 00041
Shop #: WSC 00066
VCID: 629DAC195D5DA937BF1-4B3C

1 Fault Found:
16795 - Secondary Air Injection System
P0411 - 35-00 - Incorrect Flow Detected
Readiness: 0000 0100
FIX FOLLOWS___
Good Evening, I wanted to post the follow up to my original post. I do believe I found the issue.
First off I answered all my own questions.

The secondary air injection relay is indeed located where I thought it was.

With the relay socket slots for switched power shorted, the air pump should absolutely energize!

Trouble shooting is gonna be what troubleshooting is. Pick a point, work away from that one step at a time and perform only one change at a time!

One can indeed actuate the air pump itself through the VCDS console! Select "Engine" then "Output Tests" click next through the individual fuel injector actuations until you get to the "Secondary Air Injection Pump Relay" test. This test not only cycles the air injection pump relay but, also cycles the air injection pump in short one second or so intervals.

I was helped a great deal by another forum member through texting. Thank you!
I went through trouble shooting the entire system piece by piece. combi-valve, secondary air injection solenoid/N112 valve, hoses, vacuum lines and air pump itself. Lots of false starts and wrong paths. What was puzzling was that the air pump was not actuating by any means other than applying power directly to the terminals. I checked cable/wire continuity and ground all good. Then I noticed that one of the terminals on the air pump itself was shorter than the other. The male spade lug had pushed into the pump housing. By looking at my particular pump, I found it was it was possible to remove just the rear (connector side) of the pump without touching anything else. There are three tabs that need to be pulled up slightly then the rear of the pump pops right off. I removed the offending connector/mini "wire harness" and pulled out the small locking lugs on the male connector slightly. I then reinserted the harness into the housing, checked for a solid fit and reassembled the pump. This time when I used the VCSD to run a test I could hear the air pump pulsing with the test! I cleared codes and drove the car with no check engine light. I will try a cold start again tomorrow and see what happens as it is supposed to get in the low 40s tonight in Colorado. I'd post pictures for others to see but I am not allowed just yet on the forum as I am a newbi. I hope my description is sufficient for understanding my particular issue. I have heard this is not an uncommon occurrence. I hope this helps anyone else in their troubleshooting of the secondary air injection system.



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#3 ·
I have a 99 beetle 2.0 and my wife went to work and when she was going to leave it wouldn't start when she turns the key the lights come on but there's no crank no noise whatsoever you can hear the fuel pump kick in and that's all. the alarm was given us problems. we don't have the key fob so we have to disable it by Unlocking The Doors with the key or disable by unlocking trunk but now I noticed that the alarm light does not come on when you lock the doors and the trunk release doesn't work .now the car don't start. do you have any ideas. I've check the battery and that's good I've checked the starter and that was good also.
 
#4 ·
You might check fuses, relays and a failed ignition switch, are common problems.

 
#8 ·
This is for a 2000 model but you might check and see if your 99 is similar?